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		<title>By: Max Forte</title>
		<link>http://marctyrrell.com/2009/01/26/some-more-thoughts-on-the-hts/comment-page-1/#comment-13130</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Forte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points of course. I had also not thought of the racketeering angle at all, so that was an additional good point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points of course. I had also not thought of the racketeering angle at all, so that was an additional good point.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://marctyrrell.com/2009/01/26/some-more-thoughts-on-the-hts/comment-page-1/#comment-13128</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL

I doubt that the blog author will get much in the way of fallout.  If, however, what he is saying about LT Jones is correct, then I hope that RYP (aka the &quot;Pelch&quot;) gets some major fallout.  

On the libel issue and its possible effects, I suspect that if Pelton keeps playing the heavy, as indicated by the email quoted, he will be in for a nasty surprise.  If, and I say this advisedly, that email is a direct quote and if Pelton was engaged in those marketing activities, then his attempts to silence the blog author could easily be interpreted by some as a form of racketeering (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/racketeering), specifically a form of extortion aimed at producing profit.  I&#039;m not saying that this is what is happening, but I am saying that that is one possible interpretation of his actions IFF the material laid out in that blog post is true.

That is really the crux of the matter, whether or not the material in that, and his previous, posts are true.  If they are, then it isn&#039;t libel.

&quot;Libel is the written or broadcast form of defamation, distinguished from slander which is oral defamation. It is a tort (civil wrong) making the person or entity (like a newspaper, magazine or political organization) open to a lawsuit for damages by the person who can prove the statement about him/her was a lie.&quot; (source: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/libel).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL</p>
<p>I doubt that the blog author will get much in the way of fallout.  If, however, what he is saying about LT Jones is correct, then I hope that RYP (aka the &#8220;Pelch&#8221;) gets some major fallout.  </p>
<p>On the libel issue and its possible effects, I suspect that if Pelton keeps playing the heavy, as indicated by the email quoted, he will be in for a nasty surprise.  If, and I say this advisedly, that email is a direct quote and if Pelton was engaged in those marketing activities, then his attempts to silence the blog author could easily be interpreted by some as a form of racketeering (<a href="http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/racketeering" rel="nofollow">http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/racketeering</a>), specifically a form of extortion aimed at producing profit.  I&#8217;m not saying that this is what is happening, but I am saying that that is one possible interpretation of his actions IFF the material laid out in that blog post is true.</p>
<p>That is really the crux of the matter, whether or not the material in that, and his previous, posts are true.  If they are, then it isn&#8217;t libel.</p>
<p>&#8220;Libel is the written or broadcast form of defamation, distinguished from slander which is oral defamation. It is a tort (civil wrong) making the person or entity (like a newspaper, magazine or political organization) open to a lawsuit for damages by the person who can prove the statement about him/her was a lie.&#8221; (source: <a href="http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/libel" rel="nofollow">http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/libel</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Max Forte</title>
		<link>http://marctyrrell.com/2009/01/26/some-more-thoughts-on-the-hts/comment-page-1/#comment-13126</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Forte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc, have a look at this, it made me nervous just reading it and I expect there will be some very nasty fallout for the writer...or maybe not:

http://billandbobsadventure.blogspot.com/2009/02/picasso-pelton-old-blues-paint-by.html

On the other hand, you probably read this before it was even posted, didn&#039;t you, you little devil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc, have a look at this, it made me nervous just reading it and I expect there will be some very nasty fallout for the writer&#8230;or maybe not:</p>
<p><a href="http://billandbobsadventure.blogspot.com/2009/02/picasso-pelton-old-blues-paint-by.html" rel="nofollow">http://billandbobsadventure.blogspot.com/2009/02/picasso-pelton-old-blues-paint-by.html</a></p>
<p>On the other hand, you probably read this before it was even posted, didn&#8217;t you, you little devil.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The quoted article is, to say the least, disjointed and self-contradictory.  But I think I see a certain &quot;kernel of truth&quot; to it, especially since BAE has inexplicably been unable to hire anyone since last October.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quoted article is, to say the least, disjointed and self-contradictory.  But I think I see a certain &#8220;kernel of truth&#8221; to it, especially since BAE has inexplicably been unable to hire anyone since last October.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://marctyrrell.com/2009/01/26/some-more-thoughts-on-the-hts/comment-page-1/#comment-11089</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,

Thanks for the heads up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>Thanks for the heads up.</p>
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		<title>By: John Stanton</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc--

Latest developments on HTS located here:

http://cryptome.info/0001/hts-bailout.htm

http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/11-02-2009/107093-human_terrain_system_usa_govern-0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc&#8211;</p>
<p>Latest developments on HTS located here:</p>
<p><a href="http://cryptome.info/0001/hts-bailout.htm" rel="nofollow">http://cryptome.info/0001/hts-bailout.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/11-02-2009/107093-human_terrain_system_usa_govern-0" rel="nofollow">http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/11-02-2009/107093-human_terrain_system_usa_govern-0</a></p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Mr. King, HTS WAS designed by Dr. Kipp, Les Grau, and Don Smith, of FMSO.  

It was then cut loose as its own program, as it did not fit under the FMSO mission.  

I base my comments on personal interviews with Dr. Kipp and Don Smith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Mr. King, HTS WAS designed by Dr. Kipp, Les Grau, and Don Smith, of FMSO.  </p>
<p>It was then cut loose as its own program, as it did not fit under the FMSO mission.  </p>
<p>I base my comments on personal interviews with Dr. Kipp and Don Smith.</p>
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		<title>By: John Stanton</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Chris King is, well, kinda, sorta correct. It is good to have these absolutist statements on the record. Let me work to these points in no numerical order.

To King&#039;s Point #4: In fact, FMSO/Capt. Don Smith had an important role in the creation of HTS in 2005 timeframe. This is an excerpt from HTS-CORDS for 21st Century. &quot;The concept for the current Human terrain System was suggested by Montgomery McFate Ph.D., J.D., and Andrea Jackson as described in their article, &quot;an Organizational Solution for DoD&#039;s Cultural Knowledge Needs,&quot; Military Review (July-august 2005): 1821. Most of the practical work to implement the concept under the title Human terrain System was done by Cpt Don Smith, U.S. Army reserve, of the Foreign Military Studies Office, between July 2005 and August 2006&quot;

To Kings Point #1: Responsibility for the 100&#039;s of programs at TRADOC ultimately rest with and CG&#039;s and staff, not social scientists/contractors.

To Kings Point #2: Good to know there is an FMSO global database (not aware of that). HTS is funded out of B19 (Map HT) which is an intelligence collection line item. All data from HTS makes its way into kill-suppression chain data chains. BEMI, is, by design of its proponents (Dobson, et al) and intelligence program. To think that BEMI data and HTS do not make the journey to some larger intel function is a bit silly. Senior sources have confirmed this commonality with HTS and FMSO. That does not mean they are integrated, it only means the data is traveling to some common locale.

To Kings Point #3: FMSO contractors and or staff have instructed HTS participants in training. Sources indicate a course on &quot;negotiation&quot; featured an FMSO individual (course was said to have been &quot;terrible&quot;).

TO Kings Point #5: That may, indeed, be the case but we&#039;ll have to wait for more information from the field on that score.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Chris King is, well, kinda, sorta correct. It is good to have these absolutist statements on the record. Let me work to these points in no numerical order.</p>
<p>To King&#8217;s Point #4: In fact, FMSO/Capt. Don Smith had an important role in the creation of HTS in 2005 timeframe. This is an excerpt from HTS-CORDS for 21st Century. &#8220;The concept for the current Human terrain System was suggested by Montgomery McFate Ph.D., J.D., and Andrea Jackson as described in their article, &#8220;an Organizational Solution for DoD&#8217;s Cultural Knowledge Needs,&#8221; Military Review (July-august 2005): 1821. Most of the practical work to implement the concept under the title Human terrain System was done by Cpt Don Smith, U.S. Army reserve, of the Foreign Military Studies Office, between July 2005 and August 2006&#8243;</p>
<p>To Kings Point #1: Responsibility for the 100&#8242;s of programs at TRADOC ultimately rest with and CG&#8217;s and staff, not social scientists/contractors.</p>
<p>To Kings Point #2: Good to know there is an FMSO global database (not aware of that). HTS is funded out of B19 (Map HT) which is an intelligence collection line item. All data from HTS makes its way into kill-suppression chain data chains. BEMI, is, by design of its proponents (Dobson, et al) and intelligence program. To think that BEMI data and HTS do not make the journey to some larger intel function is a bit silly. Senior sources have confirmed this commonality with HTS and FMSO. That does not mean they are integrated, it only means the data is traveling to some common locale.</p>
<p>To Kings Point #3: FMSO contractors and or staff have instructed HTS participants in training. Sources indicate a course on &#8220;negotiation&#8221; featured an FMSO individual (course was said to have been &#8220;terrible&#8221;).</p>
<p>TO Kings Point #5: That may, indeed, be the case but we&#8217;ll have to wait for more information from the field on that score.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher,

Thank you very much for making that comment.  I really appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher,</p>
<p>Thank you very much for making that comment.  I really appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher King</title>
		<link>http://marctyrrell.com/2009/01/26/some-more-thoughts-on-the-hts/comment-page-1/#comment-7666</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to the long article pertaining to &quot;Zapotec Indigenous People in Mexico Demand Transparency from U.S. Scholar&quot;, there are two paragraphs that mentioned the Human
Terrain System. In these two paragraphs there are five factual errors that I feel I need to address.

1. The only connections that FMSO has to HTS is that both are TRADOC programs and there are hundreds of TRADOC programs.
2. The FMSO global database is NOT an integral part of HTS nor does HTS utilize FMSO databases
3. HTS does not get any support, financial or otherwise, from FMSO
4. HTS was NOT designed by FMSO
5. HTS has no affiliation with Bowman Expeditions

Christopher A King, Ph.D.
Social Scientist, IZ9
HHC, 3BCT, 25 INF DIV
Human Terrain Team
APO AE 09393
http://hts.army.mil/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to the long article pertaining to &#8220;Zapotec Indigenous People in Mexico Demand Transparency from U.S. Scholar&#8221;, there are two paragraphs that mentioned the Human<br />
Terrain System. In these two paragraphs there are five factual errors that I feel I need to address.</p>
<p>1. The only connections that FMSO has to HTS is that both are TRADOC programs and there are hundreds of TRADOC programs.<br />
2. The FMSO global database is NOT an integral part of HTS nor does HTS utilize FMSO databases<br />
3. HTS does not get any support, financial or otherwise, from FMSO<br />
4. HTS was NOT designed by FMSO<br />
5. HTS has no affiliation with Bowman Expeditions</p>
<p>Christopher A King, Ph.D.<br />
Social Scientist, IZ9<br />
HHC, 3BCT, 25 INF DIV<br />
Human Terrain Team<br />
APO AE 09393<br />
<a href="http://hts.army.mil/" rel="nofollow">http://hts.army.mil/</a></p>
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